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   Logo, Banner, Illustrations & Artwork, Website, Graphic, GUI designers...THIS WAY PLEASE

Bidding Time:
12/11/2007 20:14 - 25/11/2007 00:00
Budget:
$300-1500
Status:
Closed

Job Type:
Flash, Website Design, Graphic Design, Banner Design, Logo Design
Description:



First of all i apologize i needed to do this as a "project post", but
there is no other chance as GAF didnt developed yet a blog/forum kind of site
for buyer-vendor discussions.

This project is actually an Announcement to all advanced designers, newbies and
veteran GAF service providers about a serious issue that today the freelance
graphic/web designers are facing more and more, specialy on this
platform...PLEASE READ WITH ATTENTION!
..................................
I am sure most of you guys are always asked (rater required) to provide a FREE
mockup of a design to be considered for a project...well, and this become
alsmost an NORM on GAF between all buyers.

First of all i would like to share some experiences...some buyers are really
honest people but some as you can imagine taking a mockup concept (that we
designers submit as "our own ideas") and taking it to someone else
that placing low bids to be cloned...this way the buyer taking your idea and get
great design at most low cost, all he need is someone who can photoshop. I know
this sounds crazy but is true...thats why i suggest to not provide anymore free
work on GAF...no free mockups/comps/specs PLEASE! GAF being a Professional
buyer-vendor Marketplace is not a "free ideas library" where scammers
can steal or take your hours of work without to pay for it. You know by your
self how long its taking to design a mockup...then remember that watermark a
mockup means nothing when it comes to the IDEA DEVELOPMENT!!!

The buyer on GAF schould not be allowed from GAF administration to
"require a free mockup" to be submitet in order to be considered to
place a bid on project! Another point...you as professional vendor on a
"payed" marketplace do not provide a buyer with your ideas for
free...basicly do not develop and submit mockups before you are selected as
service provider and the money is deposited to your Escrow!...Thats why we
designers have online portfolios that the buyer can look at and consider our
bids based on our showcase at the portfolios...past designs at the portfolio are
the mirror of the designer/company which shows the designer skills and other
talents...so in this case a buyer can select a provider for their project based
on the portfolios. I can recommend to all newbies to get their portfolios online
and never do free work such as mockups as this is the major way buyer get things
turned out almost for free and in most cases even free.

I would write more here but i know doing this i may violate GAF "terms of
usage"... i am a provider on here since 2 years with about 200 happy
customers list and have 100+ all 10/10 client feedbacks on completed projects
and do not wish to lose this teaching you how to act as professional business
people on freelancing marketplaces such as this platform...thats why PLEASE
"wake up" finaly and start to act also as PRO vendor...do net allowe
GAF to become a place where people cheating eachother.

Finaly...i invite all service providers (graphics, illustration, web) to not
support this "free mockuping" trend. Here is an URL where you can read
something about how unlegal is require a free mockup:

http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm/position-spec-work

(also dwnload the document at this site and use it for your customers who
require mockups). Another great article is here...will teach you some things (i
hope)

http://www.no-spec.com/articles/ten-reasons

(please check it as its really imortant!).I hope all this will make some sense
and will help us vendors here on GAF keep this marketplace "clean" and
finaly some of you guys can finaly start to make money...just think of:
GAF as a store, and we the providers as product=service, its same thing as walk
inside a supermarket... fill your shopping bag with products and walk away
without to pay a cent, then if the "cashier" ask where are you going
without to pay you cannot say "...oh, ill try the products at home, if i
like ill come back and pay for it"...same hing is for the mockups. The
issue is serious than this, as providing free mockup means provide your IDEA
directly...then why you schould develop an idea and just give it away without to
get payed for?

Thats why proving your skills to buyer is possible with providing them with
your portfolio url instead with free mockup.

Another issue is i already have submited a few times a support tikets regarding
this was the '$30-$100' option...lets get rid-off this as this also become a
majority for buyers to post projects in this price range that normaly is much
more value worth on the market. Ofcource there are some projects that are really
"small tasks" and i feel GAF schould have an option for buyer such as
"not sure" and remove the 30-100 option as today even a logo design
cant be done within this budget. If you today go to Design Agency and say
"i want a cool logo, 5 concepts to choose from and unlimited
revisions" for this $100 budget they will even no listen to you. Another
thing is...if you ask design agency for free mockup they will close the door to
your face directly!


Well...thats all for now and i jope it was worth for to post this here! Please
feel free to write your feelings and sugesstions directly in your
"bid" panel (do not PM me as i may not reply!)...also make sure to do
screenshots if you post something so you have records if GAF cancel your
subscription or suspend your account.

Good Luck to all fellow providers. Additional
information submitted: 11/12/2007 at 23:33 EST:
..........................................

This part is for GAF Administration only (in case they come across this post).
---------------------------------------
Dear GAF Administration,
I know this post may violate the terms of the site, but on your place i would
first wait before delate this post and use this situation as opportunity to see
what other GAF providers are thinking about the issue...this may give you some
great ideas of how to implement and what can be done to keep GAF as professional
freelancing buyer-vendor marketplace.

Kind Regards. 11/13/2007 at 10:59 EST:
...well, i even cant belive it that this happens. There are some
good proves here on this "project" as some "providers" still
"place real bid" on this projetc and starting they message with:

"please check my portfolio at..."

or better one is this here:

"Hello, We have gone through your requirement..."

Now if GAF administration just can see this and just think of what is going
this community to become if their major service provider brands leave them
(talking about the "top200" service providers list and other advanced
providers). If a provider place bid on project without even to read what this
post is about, how then the buyer can pick a right service provider (sometimes i
doubt when i see this kind of funny situations...is maybe the buyer RIGHT asking
for mockup if he noticed that half of GAF providers are idiots?)?
(...i needed to post this as its just sooooo funny LOL!!!)

Some of you guys suggested a certification...i totaly agree after seeing such
bids on my post that and icon of "certified vendor" is a must next to
the username of a provider (ofcource only if a provider qualify for). There must
some certification system setup from GAF Management that providers can apply for
and if they qualify GAF can credit this provider with this certification which
basicly may ensure the buyer that their project post will be writen from some
providers before they place bid on LOL.

B/w...thanks to all you guys joining this post and share your feelings about my
post.


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